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Old September 23rd, 2011, 04:33 PM
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"Cheney Clinic will not be making their classes available to "HIV" patients until an arrangement is in place for a qualified "HIV" physician to monitor them, and this may take a while.

Also, the price of these classes is not cheap. I'm told they will be $3500 (not including travel costs) and that includes enough product for six months."
Don't most HIV+ patients have a "qualified" HIV specialist already? Is the Cheney Clinic claiming that they want to "qualify" the HIV specialist?

What is included for the high ($3,500.00) price?
* Room & Board (how many days & meals)? Which hotel?
* Where are the classes held?
* How many classes and how long are the classes?
* Does the price include GcMAF? If so, how much?
* Is any lab wear (glass wear, blenders, hair nets :-) included?
* Are any assays (GcMAF potency) included?

Where is the data that shows that GcMAF can survive the environment in the stomach?

Where is the data that shows that GcMAF can be absorbed in the gut?

How much GcMAF is in a typical batch of "MAF 314". How big is a given batch of "MAF 314"? How much, and how often, does one consume "MAF 314"?
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 04:59 PM
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What is included for the high ($3,500.00) price?
This is the second post I've read this morning suggesting that the MAF 3 14 training cost was high but in perspective, I cannot fathom how anyone could consider this to be a high cost given the normal cost of mainstream treatment.

I'd assume that all you get for $3,500 is the training in making and using MAF 3 14. You also get a 6 month supply of MAF 3 14.

If it does what has been attributed to it, the per month cost is now just under $600 per month - and presumably it drops after that because you can prepare MAF 3 14 on your own.

There are no standard orthodox HIV treatment protocols that have a cost at this level for anyone in Europe or North America. I know because I had to go through and do cost analysis as part of my own peculiar immigration situation.

If you live in some areas you can obtain orthodox treatments for lower cost (e.g., using Viraday from Cipla instead of Atripla from Gilead) but I'd personally pick MAF 3 14 - even at twice the cost - versus one of them.

There is one orthodox HIV treatment protocol with a lower cost: AZT monotherapy. That's because AZT is now off patent. This is not a standard treatment, however, and is definitely not recommended by orthodox doctors.
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 06:08 PM
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Don't most HIV+ patients have a "qualified" HIV specialist already? Is the Cheney Clinic claiming that they want to "qualify" the HIV specialist?

What is included for the high ($3,500.00) price?
* Room & Board (how many days & meals)? Which hotel?
* Where are the classes held?
* How many classes and how long are the classes?
* Does the price include GcMAF? If so, how much?
* Is any lab wear (glass wear, blenders, hair nets :-) included?
* Are any assays (GcMAF potency) included?

Where is the data that shows that GcMAF can survive the environment in the stomach?

Where is the data that shows that GcMAF can be absorbed in the gut?

How much GcMAF is in a typical batch of "MAF 314". How big is a given batch of "MAF 314"? How much, and how often, does one consume "MAF 314"?
This is what i got from Cheney's clinic:-

1. You must obtain a referral from your primary care physician prior to taking the class and your health must be followed on a regular basis (yet to be outlined by Dr. Cheney) throughout the time of use.

2. The cost for the 3-day course is $3,500. A non-refundable deposit of $1,000 is payable upon your decision to sign up and the remainder is collected when you arrive for the class.

3. You will need to stay at the Biltmore Residence Inn which has a full kitchen and the rate is $109 per night plus 10% tax.

4. You will be provided with enough ferment to last you for 6 months, including the batch you make in the class.

5. Cheney Clinic is not certifying you or any other attendees as "Trainers" for MAF 314.

Hope this answers your questions
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 06:13 PM
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I meant to add the following information to my earlier post. It is an English translation of an article by the well known dissident Italian physician and researcher Dr Fabio Franchi, who was a one time collaborator of Ruggiero's, and it concerns Yamamoto's GcMAF research, Ruggiero's involvement in it, as well as the current MAF 314 work:

http://www.dissensomedico.it/Bib_doc...ro_rainbow.pdf
For those native Italian speakers or with good Italian, you can also find it at his blog site:
http://www.dissensomedico.it/Ruggiero_M.htm

It is worth reading the 'Introduction' of Dr Franchi's blog (Introduzione) and for non-Italian speakers who are browsing using Google - especially when the page is opened with the Google Chrome or Chromium browsers, then it will automatically offer a translation into your native language. The English translation is perfectly fine, and puts into context Dr Franchi's considered position on 'HIV/AIDS':
http://www.dissensomedico.it/

A supportive article about Yamamoto's GcMAF from 2008 by Bill Sardi (with comments about producing a natural version exactly what Ruggiero is now doing) is also in English here on Franchi's site:
http://www.dissensomedico.it/Bib_doc..._Yama_2008.pdf
Is Dr Franchi trying to say Yamamoto's work is unreal and that the patients involved does not exist?
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 06:22 PM
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If it does what has been attributed to it, the per month cost is now just under $600 per month - and presumably it drops after that because you can prepare MAF 3 14 on your own.
CG,
That was my point, "If it does what has been attributed to it..."

$600.00 per month for ordinary yogurt is not a bargain. The IAS 2011 e-poster by S. Pacini and M. Ruggiero (page 17) state: "Effects of a probiotic preparation PUTATIVELY containing DBP-MAF on the immune system in vivo."

I'd like some evidence to go along with that PUTATIVE (assumption) - evidence that shows that GcMAF actually got to the gut intact and helped transport vitamin D into macrophages.

There are several studies showing that yogurt, all by itself, is very helpful in HIV/AIDS:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21468226

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20463586

So, I'm concerned that GcMAF may not get into the gut intact. And if it does, that it might not perform the same function it would if injected. I don't doubt that yogurt is helpful. I'm wondering if GcMAF is adding anything to the effect of the yogurt.

And because I've yet to read anything about the results of "MAF 314" in an HIV+ patient population, the idea that we can compare it to antiretrovirals is premature.
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 06:32 PM
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Is Dr Franchi trying to say Yamamoto's work is unreal and that the patients involved does not exist?
When I tried to ask Dr. Ruggiero if he had personally investigated the work of Nobuto Yamamoto, Ph.D., specifically if he had reviewed the medical records of any of his cured patients, my post was removed and I was sent the below E-mail.

> Hemmy,
> Your recent post to the Ruggiero thread was not approved. It doesn't deal
> with Ruggiero's work but is instead a critique of Yamamoto.
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> Thanks nonetheless for following that thread.
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 09:20 PM
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Hemmy, you're giving a wrong impression: the original post you refer to was long and almost entirely inappropriate. Your current post is argumentative and not particularly on topic. Normally we'd spike it but what the hell, speak your peace...
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Old September 24th, 2011, 07:07 PM
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Is Dr Franchi trying to say Yamamoto's work is unreal and that the patients involved does not exist?
He says what he says, and quite clearly.
Not that there isn't good evidence for the potential benefit of chemical GcMAF but there are very clearly ethical problems around research patient follow-up and record keeping. These are issues common to any research involving clinical trials and make it very difficult to validate the trials.
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Old September 25th, 2011, 01:43 AM
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So where are the results of the MAF314 trial???
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Old September 25th, 2011, 11:39 AM
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So where are the results of the MAF314 trial???
See post #795 - The first conference where one set of results is being presented hasn't even completed yet. And the second conference where further results will be announced doesn't happen until later this week coming.
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