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    Default Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...7-9613821.html

    To those who don't think hiv exists the death of a load of aids researchers will have no significance to the search for a cure. by your reasoning they are chasing a fiction.

    however, if some of you think that hiv or some form of germ exists and has a correlation with poor health then perhaps (in addition to it being bad news for obvious reasons) this is bad news in the context of search for a cure/vaccine.

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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    I 'll tell you several scenarios of what really happened
    1. If there were sincere researchers among them they would probably have come close to the truth about the hiv=aids crap. So they were ''dismissed'' from their duties by the cartel forces
    2. These doctors had probably killed thousands of patients with aZT and other toxic medications. So they fulfilled their karmic consequences, and they received death for the premature death they have given to the patients.

    I remember years ago another prominent researcher was killed in airplane accident, I don't recall his name

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    The crash is a human tragedy whatever the victims' jobs, if any. Bringing 'HIV' into is pretty distasteful.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agentjohnson79 View Post
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...7-9613821.html

    To those who don't think hiv exists the death of a load of aids researchers will have no significance to the search for a cure. by your reasoning they are chasing a fiction.

    however, if some of you think that hiv or some form of germ exists and has a correlation with poor health then perhaps (in addition to it being bad news for obvious reasons) this is bad news in the context of search for a cure/vaccine.

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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    Joep Lang, former president of the international AIDs society and one of the passengers of the fatal flight, was urging in his last article (published on first of July 2014) to start treatment as soon as possible.
    We argue that the available evidence renders the discussion on when to start antiretroviral therapy unnecessary and that, instead, efforts should be aimed at offering treatment as soon as possible.

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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    This seems a very nasty experiment, by Lange, with the help of Red Cross in unsuspected people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyB37 View Post
    The crash is a human tragedy whatever the victims' jobs, if any. Bringing 'HIV' into is pretty distasteful.
    I agree.

    I just posted on Facebook about some of the outrageous discussions occurring on the Rethinking AIDS group there.

    No grave dancing here and take it easy on conspiracy theories related to "HIV".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agentjohnson79 View Post
    To those who don't think hiv exists the death of a load of aids researchers will have no significance to the search for a cure. by your reasoning they are chasing a fiction.

    however, if some of you think that hiv or some form of germ exists and has a correlation with poor health then perhaps (in addition to it being bad news for obvious reasons) this is bad news in the context of search for a cure/vaccine.
    This article raises more questions than answers. Most media reports agree that about 100 of the passengers were en route to the Global AIDS 2014 Conference in Melbourne. Based on what I'm reading elsewhere, not all of those were AIDS "researchers" by any stretch.

    These conferences draw a lot of AIDS activists, "advocates" from community based orgs and media types. It's quite a reward to get a ride and a ticket to one of these glamfests.

    Researchers like Lange probably have staffs and all of their data on computers, backed up and easily retrievable. It's likely that the worst case scenario would be the loss of a few weeks, months at most, of work.

    I'm not suggesting it isn't a loss, but the risk hardly warrants the sensational headline. It's a coincidence that so many conference attendees were on the flight and someone was bound to try to write an article about the disaster with a new "angle".

    The missle strike on MH17 is a tragedy for so many reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with "HIV" or "AIDS" and that some many conference attendees were on the flight is pure coincidence. This thread could even be considered "off-topic" as far as I'm concerned.

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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    If the list of passengers is not released yet why it is spread that there were 100 top experts in the plane? It seems that there is something strange in these news. Shouldn't we consider the possibility this ''news'' to be some kind of political act to produce some unknown results ? One strange thing is that the news were spread by the medscape, an internet based news agency attended by doctors

    A remarkable possibility is that they want to produce division among the dissidents, one group claiming that the others are grave dancers.

    [ADMIN NOTE: Your post is being restored, now that the list of passengers is available. Thanks for your understanding.]
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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    CDM:

    Your last post has been removed from public view. It is purely speculative and offers no concrete information. It is identical to a post made on the RA Facebook page, and we are not going to allow the QA Forums to devolve to that level.

    Once the passenger list is released, you may consider reposting.

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    Default Re: Malaysian flight crash linked to the loss of an aids cure

    This article, from The Australian, doesn't parrot the "100 Top AIDS Researchers Killed" meme that is so prevalent in other media reports.

    It supports what I wrote earlier that there may have been 100 delegates on the flight heading to Melbourne, but not all of them were "top researchers".

    While not accounting for 100 people, the article does include some information about non-researcher delegates who are believed to have died.

    A Geneva-based World Health Organisation media adviser, Glenn Thomas, is also believed to be among the dead.
    A media adviser from WHO. One of the world's top AIDS researchers? Not.

    Delegates Lucie van Mens, Martine de Schutter, Pim de Kuijer and Jacqueline van Tongeren were also reportedly on the flight.
    If these are top AIDS researchers, the reporter failed to note that.

    Dr Van Mens, director of program development and support at the Female Health Company, had been involved in public health, focusing on prevention of STIs and HIV/AIDS, since 1995.

    Ms Van Tongeren had worked in the field of HIV/Aids since 1986, and coordinated many HIV/AIDS- and health-related projects. She ran an art gallery in Amsterdam in the 1970s and 1980s and worked closely with Prof Lange.
    Neither of these are "researchers" by any stretch of the imagination.

    The report about there being 100 attendees on the flight does need to be verified, but until a list is released, there's no purpose gained by trying to speculate it is inaccurate or false.

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