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msn_ChrisHHV8
September 22nd, 2005, 10:29 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Hi!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">I m here today for the first time. I m living in Germany&nbsp;(I m not the guy who posted here for a couple of Months ago). </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I m tested positive since 2002. Has Kaposi since the beginning&nbsp;of this year.&nbsp;All&nbsp;kind of alternative Treatment has failed. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Today my doc told me asap to beginn the antiviral treatment. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Has&nbsp;somebody here&nbsp;some kind&nbsp;of "positive"&nbsp;experience&nbsp;with the&nbsp;treatment of&nbsp;Kaposi - alternative.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I really do not know what&nbsp;I have to do.&nbsp; I was that deep into the critical sight of HIV --- and now this!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">Chris,&nbsp;Stuttgart, Germany</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_JHalliwell2
September 23rd, 2005, 05:41 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>The first thing that comes to mind is to absolutly cut out all sugars and most grains. Karposi Sarcoma is a cancer, and cancer (from my reseacher) is brought on by oxidative stresses and sugar and grain intake. As for medications I don t want to/ don t know enough about them to go there. I would check out Dr. Mercola s website, for information on the connection between sugar and cancer.<BR><BR>http://www.mercola.com</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
September 23rd, 2005, 09:27 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Chris, James is the expert in this department and hopefully will be along soon. Along the way you will likely soon be told to start antioxidants like ALA or NAC. It is easier to say than realize, but it is probably key not to stress and begin further intensive research into the alternatives and the antivirals. I would want to know exactly what antivirals were I was being sold and why they were supposed to work for KS. You might comment on your treatment failures further so people here have ideas on what you have already tried. Good wishes. Cheers. Robin.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
September 23rd, 2005, 03:27 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Thank you both for answering! I have been taking several kind of antioxidants and Vitamins since 2003. Including NAC, SAG.&nbsp; I read about Lysine in a posting here. Of course I am considering to take that too. Further i am injecting different kind of "microimmunstuff" (don t know how it is said in english ;-//...) like Coenzymes, Sulfur... I think I have done almost everything what is possible. Every therapy I had has been taken due to my alternative&nbsp;"Homoepath/Heilpraktiker"&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The "problem" is, that my T-Zells are okay...... between 600 and 800.... ViralLoad, whatever it is in that soup, has "exploded" to 350000.&nbsp; It ist only the&nbsp;fact that&nbsp;I have 8-10 Caposis - not the "normal" brown flat kind....&nbsp;my caposis look like&nbsp;Granulomes and&nbsp;the&nbsp;fact that&nbsp;the VL&nbsp;has "exploded"&nbsp;that now my doc now want me to take Reyataz&nbsp;with Norvir.&nbsp;Everything else ist okay! </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I consider to take those antivirals until the HHV8 are "gone" - I do not see any reason why to take that stuff as long as "everything" else is okay! Do somebody here agree? ;-9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_GlutathioneSurvival1
September 23rd, 2005, 03:58 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Dear Chris,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Some pointers. HHV8 plus low "cd4" "immunosuppression" is not the cause of kaposi sarcoma. kaposi sarcoma is not always as is claimed or currentley thought true cancer.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have had Kaposi sarcoma since around year 2000 it was officially diagnosed in 2002, but I used to laugh about it and debate about it on the old virusmyth debating boards with chris nobel and "pedro"LOL.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Kaposi sarcoma os caused by redox imbalances and oxidative stress. Its got nothing to do with low "CD$4", low "cd4$" can be associated but association is never unless your a fool proof of causation.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>KS is absent in the presence of chronic "immunesuppression/low cd4" and can be found in people with 700 plus "cd4" with or without "hiv".</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I would concentrate on what the available experimental evidence is.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>That is all agents that are capable of slowing down, halting, reversing both "aids" type KS and non "aids" type KS are all active in mitigating oxidative stress.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>These include the socalled "hiv" P.I. s they can treat KS in "hiv-pos" and "hiv-neg" models in vivo and in vitro and have been trialed in humans with non "aids" type classical KS since 2003.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Non Toxic antioxidants including NAC, Chinese green tea extract and many other antioxidants and pro GSH agents can slow down ,halt and reverse KS in experimental models in vitro and vivo.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I actually always found my KS extremely amusing, indeed I have pissed myself laughing at it and all of the crazy "scientific" bullshit theories of causation.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Dont get me wrong "aids" type KS i have have studied for nearly 15 years because for me KS was the reason why I never believed that "aids" could be caused by a single agent "hiv". thats before the latest bullshit theory of HHV8 came out in 1992 to provide yet one more smoke screen for the "aids" establishment to hide all the massive inconsistancies around KS and "aids".</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I know "aids" type KS is not funny and it can be quite scary, I have watched friends /lovers die of it and it was not nice at all. I know full well what the normal course of the disease takes. Howvere in me with a extremely low cd4 -35, the KS never grew infact it vanished.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I did use NAC, chinese green tea extract, antioxidants, ALA, and a host of other antioxidants. I also made sure I was never exposed to oxidizing stimuli.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>There is a post on here called KS not "aids" read all the papers from the very startof the thread and you will find loads of studies which show that antioxidants particulary pro GSH agents are very active against KS, further you will see that&nbsp;many conventional treatments all reduces oxidative stress and work on the redox this includes "hiv" specific my ass P.I. s.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>If you decide to use "haart" I would also advise using antioxidants alongside these treatments which can boost the positive effects including the anti KS effects&nbsp;and reduce the side effects.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Hope some of this helps.</DIV> <DIV>Good luck</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Hugs</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>james</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
September 23rd, 2005, 09:55 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Thank you, too!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Today I have ordered Lysine and Grifokehl (Maitake) -- maybe ist helps.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Further I have desided to try!! to wait further 3 months - until the next VL-Counting!.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>James, could you mention me the names of the Antioxidants? Further what is ALA and pro GSH agents?.... It hard to be a scandinavian "boy" living in Germany for 13 Years which means that my english has become that bad..... shame ;-// </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Sch?nes Wochenende</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 3rd, 2005, 06:56 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Chris, Like James I am not convinced of the proof of a relationship between CD4 counts and KS, or that KS is caused by HHV8. I would not choose to treat KS with HAART.<BR><BR>There are many antioxidants both in supplements and foods, so think about diet as well. Berries are a particularly great source of antioxidants. Dark chocolate even. The spices turmeric and curry are also sources. The most commonly referenced and available pro-GSH antioxidant is NAC or N Acetyl L-Cysteine and it might be useful to you to research it. I ll leave James to return with the answer and references as to why and explain "pro-GSH" as he is much better read than I. (I am not a scientist, just an idiot who got an "HIV+ test" back in 99.)<BR><BR>In dealing with KS or most illness I think it is always important to detoxify. What I have read on the alternative cancer discussions is often concerned with cleansing the body of toxins even when patients do not use chemotherapy. This often includes sweating it out, vegetable juicing and colonics. Talk to the people going off meds on this forum for some of the best ways to detoxify and what works for them.<BR><BR>Alternative cancer treatment include herbs we don t hear much about in the "HIV/AIDS" world. You might want to research Essiac tea and the herbs it is based on (burdock root, sheep sorrel, slippery elm bark and Turkish rhubarb root). I would also consider how Traditional Chinese Medicine might heal KS (cancers more generally) and what herbs are used.<BR><BR>Disease is multifactorial, so healing KS, like anything else, would also involve detoxifying body and mind. Along with the super healthy diet and supplements of NAC/ALA/etc., also pay attention to psychological health -- exercise, meditate, play music or whatever it is that helps you center yourself and heal. Sorry if I repeat myself from my previous post, but I think health is more than taking specific drugs or supplements for a singular condition. A "rebounder" may also be of use (basically a home trampoline) to keep your lymphatic system moving (it is gravity driven). <BR><BR>Consider treating KS in multiple ways, all focused on building your health and well being.<BR><BR>All the best,<BR>Robin</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 3rd, 2005, 06:59 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>James, could you explain the different kinds of KS seen today and what exactly it means to say it is not a true cancer?<BR><BR>Much of what I hear of today, like the node you laugh at, is very different from what I remember in acquaintances and seeing on the street, or hearing about. KS was always represented as aggressive, and never the lesions of older Mediterranean men (James note to my knowledge based on previous postings you did not avoid ALL oxidizing stimulus -- were you then and are you still a smoker? I am, so if you have notes on quitting, please do tell. The bacon in your clubhouse, well okay, but corporate tobacco is horrible deadly stuff -- worse than french fries even.)<BR><BR>To what extent was all the aggressive KS of the "Chemo era" and the "AZT era" a product of the treatments? How much "LOL KS" in these eras was turned into epidemic KS once treatment began? The picture of KS has literally changed for me over the decades. I recall the faces discoloured by KS and even saw some video on how to apply your make-up -- what has become of classic epidemic gay KS? <BR><BR>The appearance on chest and face suggests the link to poppers, that and gay men without HIV getting it. I also don t buy HHV8 or that CD$ cells play a central role in cancer, but also frustrated really nothing has been done on the poppers connection to prove or disprove. What other possible causes need investigation?<BR><BR>Today KS seems much more diverse, making me wonder at times what exactly is being diagnosed as KS in HIV+ gay men during the era of HAART. If KS can be misdiagnosed as warts, then clearly warts can be misdiagnosed as KS! How much presumptive KS diagnosis takes place? Michelle Cochrane gives an anecdote about a lab checking up on the sexual orientation of a patient prior to making a decision about whether it was KS. (Can t find the darn book now to give more details.) <BR><BR>Cheers , Robin</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 5th, 2005, 06:06 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi Robin,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>thank you for posting! Every posting is a kind of&nbsp;psychological Therapy ;-)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I do try to watch out what I m eating. Reducing sugar. Avoiding meat. But it is difficult. Further I try to avoid wheat. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I ve been - I am taking NAC, Zinc, Selen, Turmeric, Curry/Curcumin, Redox, Multimax, Magnesium, SAG, Q10, NADH, Quercetin, Bromelain, Resveratrol,&nbsp;Resoextra, OPC, Rhodiola Rosea,&nbsp;Phosetamin, Gluthamin, EBV-nosodes, HIV-nosodes&nbsp;etc....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Further I m&nbsp;injecting&nbsp;Glyoxal, Ubichinon, Coenzyme, Engystol, Para-Benzochinon, Mucosa, Interferon Gamma, Sulfur Injeel.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In a period of 2 x 30 days I ve been taken a Misteltherapy.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Today I received Glycyrrhizae Radix -&nbsp;Chinese Tea..... Further&nbsp;I&nbsp;"enjoy" drinking suthelandia-tea....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>As you can see - I try almost everything to avoid the chems.... the chems which maybe are the reason why I ve got my ulcers/tumors or what&nbsp;it is. It is grotesque.....and ruining ;-))</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 5th, 2005, 06:15 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>I forgot something!!!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Of course I do pay attention to my psychological health. I have reduced stress and until I got the ulcer on the left small toe I jogged 8-10 Miles in the forest (nothern Black Forest) every morning.&nbsp;Now&nbsp;-&nbsp;2&nbsp;months later - I almost cannot get&nbsp;to&nbsp;my office in the 2.&nbsp;Floor without pain.&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It&nbsp;is not easy to live healthy ;-))))))</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>"well mooded" </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ltnp1
October 8th, 2005, 06:57 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>A friend of mine who had been on "AIDS" medications for 7 or 8 years had KS lesions all over his body.&nbsp; After he learned "HIV" was a hoax, he fired his doctor and started following a Natural Hygiene regimen:&nbsp; Raw vegan organic diet, juicing, fasting, etc.&nbsp; He also got lots of fresh air and sunbathed for hours every day.&nbsp; The lesions all dried up, kind of scabbed over, and then fell off.&nbsp; In less than a year there were no scars showing.&nbsp; </DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 8th, 2005, 11:29 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Chris,<BR><BR>I honestly don t know what all your supplements and injections are but sounds like you have standards covered. I hope you are getting some good naturopathic counselling and not just meds threats.<BR><BR>Keep detoxification in mind. I am trying not just supplement but get the crap out of my system -- and I think any healing involves "detox." Would soaking your feet in a hot epsom salts and baking soda bath help? <BR><BR>Might check out the recipe for lemon/olive oil juice at http://www.arc.org.za/The_solution.htm from Tine Van Der Maas. She says nothing about KS, but her ideas on cleansing and nutrition are good.<BR><BR>Peace and love.<BR>Robin<BR><BR>PS thanks for the report ltnp1</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 9th, 2005, 05:39 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi ltnp1, hi Robin and Co., </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>thanks thanks thanks...... If you knew how your posting strengthens me - I would be be able to see your glories shine from here ;-)))))))))</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Detoxifying my mind......&nbsp; I am counselling perhaps the best&nbsp;- at least the only naturpathic in Germany&nbsp;who&nbsp;is an "HIV-Expert" and "official"&nbsp;dissident. Unfortunately no Doctor. "Unfortunately" because only treatments done by Doc are payed be the&nbsp;Health Insurance. He ist helping me detoxifying my mind.&nbsp;Until&nbsp;I got the&nbsp;Kaposis&nbsp;I was totally minddetoxified&nbsp;- at least I thought so! ;-))))&nbsp; Nobody ist able to say when your are completely detoxified. I thought I was...... And now I "see that I was wrong" I got Kaposis even though. I m trying to live as healthy as possible. </DIV> <DIV>Forget and displace the fact being poz is not the solution. Something IS derailed. No doubt about that! Might be a Mind-Thing, a Virus-Thing, a Microbe-Thing or whatever..... therefore nobody is helped by closing eyes.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I m not scared, panic, sad or stressed at all concerning "HIV" - please believe me! "HIV" as KillerVirus do not excist in my&nbsp;mind - ANYLONGER....... Indeed it has excisted.... again: NO doubt about that! ;-)))</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;I m uncertainly because of the Kaposi. Nobody really knows anything. Only the pains in&nbsp;my left leg/foot&nbsp;are making me madly. The Health Insurance, too ;-))))</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Robin! Could you tell me a bit more about the epsom salts and baking soda bath???</DIV> <DIV>Thank you for the Tine van der Maas-Tip....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Have a nice Sunday!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 9th, 2005, 07:21 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi Robin,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>thank you - again - for the arc.org.za-link! I m through now! Interesting indeed! </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I think the lemon juice/olive oil-Water can do no damage at all and would be worth trying.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>But!! as stupid as I am..... I may not have understood the recipe! 1 blended Lemon, 1 tablespoon olive oil and 1 glass water...... 3 times a day!!&nbsp; 3 LEMONS!!! A DAY !!! PURE?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?&nbsp; <IMG height=19 src="http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emcrook.gif" width=19>&nbsp;After 3 days my stomach will be corroded!!??!!?<IMG height=19 src="http://sc.groups.msn.com/themes/R9c/pby/img/emoticons/emcrook.gif" width=19></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I had liverproblems at the time I was on Kaletra/Combivir - as a matter of fact IT was one of the reasons why i quitted.... and it was in a time were I did not know much about the dissident way of seeing "HIV"....... My liver might still have not recovered!!!&nbsp; And now my doc want me to start taking the chems again because of the Kaposi...... HEY ...... es ist KRANK....it is SICK....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 10th, 2005, 11:02 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Hi Chris,<BR><BR>A suggestion one finds for detoxifying is sweats or hot baths, and according to folk medicine epsom salts and baking soda are useful in process. If I have skin problems or even muscle aches I often soak in epsom salts/baking soda baths -- my Grandmother would have explained it as "soaking to draw out the poisons." <BR><BR>It might help even if to just briefly relieve the pain and also do some good in healing at the same time. My bet is that KS is in large part caused by toxicity (poppers, benzene in lube and who knows what else), so detoxifying even at the level of your skin could be important. Our bodies don t detoxify quickly, it part as we continue to take in poisons even when not aware of it or trying -- we live in a toxic world.<BR><BR>On lemons and corroding stomachs: Three lemons, peel and seeds included! I actually don t find lemons bother my stomach. Eating before or after you drink it could also protect against stomach problems. I don t know if Tine van der Maas would approve, but a vegetable juice with the lemon and olive oil could also help. Key as well is water and lots of it to cleanse, which should also help your liver heal. It is one organ which seems good at healing itself given the opportunity.<BR><BR>I agree the Health Insurance issue is stupid. I face it myself. I also agree going back on chemo with a liver already damaged by is a SICK suggestion. <BR><BR>Robin</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 11th, 2005, 06:10 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi Robin,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>yesterday I started the Lemon/Olive-Cocktail-drinking...... holy bimbam! The taste ist extremely "habituation-needily"...... </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Epsom salts and baking soda will be the next step! "Unfortunately" I ll be on my sisters Wedding from Thursday - which means I ll start the "Project" next week!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Until now my stomach makes no trouble! I m very surprised!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Poppers/Benzene......&nbsp; well, I do not&nbsp;use poppers for years.... do not use lube or sliding gels at all - anylonger. I think I must look for the "poison" somewhere else.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Robin, thank you!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 11th, 2005, 10:58 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Hi Chris,<BR><BR>Enjoy your lemonade. Glad the taste works for you.<BR><BR>Let us know if you ever have any thoughts on why the KS appeared.<BR><BR>I tend to think that if poppers are a cause it may well be many years after last use before one is risk free. In smokers it not until a decade after quitting that chances of lunger cancer are reduced to the norm.<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Robin</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_ChrisHHV8
October 12th, 2005, 05:10 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Why KS appeared!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>First of all I m not sure that it is KS at all!!!! HHV8 was "found" in the "cut of" Wart/Granuloma/Tumor.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>HHV8 was not found in my blood in a Lab which I consultated. Twice they took blood - Twise they didn t find HHV8.&nbsp; The Lab in the Hospital where my Doc ist and were my "KS" was operated......&nbsp;made a bloodcontrole after the first from the Lab.... Difficult? </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>1. Hospital/my Doc :&nbsp; Operation HHV8 was found in the away operated Ulcer</DIV> <DIV>2. Independent Laboratory: Bloodcontrol - HHV8 Negativ</DIV> <DIV>3 Hospital/my Doc: Bloodcontrol PCR - HHV8 weak positiv</DIV> <DIV>4. (2) Independent Laboratory: 2nd Bloodcontrol for free because of the result 1 &amp; 3!!!........ HHV8 Negativ!!!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The Independent Laboratory even KNOWS that I m Poz! </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>My homoeopath thinks it is caused/activated by the Skin physician who treated the "Warts" with nitric acid last year dezember.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>And.... because they really do not look like the "mainstream" KS ..... I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I SHALL THINK.&nbsp; Nowhere in Google I can find a KS which look like my "Babes". Nowhere!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>And Nowhere I can find a doc who is&nbsp;not automatically&nbsp;pairing my "Bubbles" with</DIV> <DIV>HIV to "produce" KS!!!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>If I was not that good mooded which I am..... I think I would have a serious problem. A much bigger problem than the "KS"</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Further if it is of interest - pls. let me know - I will try to park some&nbsp;Pics.... somewhere.... I got a tip/reference&nbsp;from Gert (gbrax)&nbsp;from Holland - Hi Gert!!! concerning that!&nbsp;But I m no computer/pic-freak at all...... It could take time before I manage to do that!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Chris</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_gbrax
October 12th, 2005, 11:22 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Hi Chris!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>--quote--</DIV> <DIV>If I was not that good mooded which I am..... I think I would have a serious problem. A much bigger problem than the "KS"</DIV> <DIV>--unquote--</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>You may be right there, Chris. On the other hand, it may also a lot less bad!</DIV> <DIV>Thank gods, you re a positive minded person.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Regarding your parking of images: on <A target=_top href="http://www.imageshack.us/">http://www.imageshack.us/</A>&nbsp;it is quite easy, but if you re hesitating, send your images to me. Not too small please (at least 800x600 pixels, if possible). Switch your camera to macro , as to get sharp pictures from a close distance. If necessary I will clear up the pics somewhat and post them for you.</DIV> <DIV>I will return then with simple links you can paste in your message.</DIV> <DIV>For further assistance, you re always welcome to contact me directly.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Cheers mate!</DIV> <DIV>Gert</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 13th, 2005, 08:59 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Hi Chris,<BR><BR>I would hope they have other means than tests for HHV8 to determine what it was. At the very least you need a doctor who will accept that you are not going on ARVs and other forms of chemo. Also one that will actually want to determine if it is KS (not just HHV8-related) and if not, what it is.<BR><BR>Good luck in doctor firing and rehiring.<BR><BR>Robin</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>