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msn_UNKNOWN_AUTHOR_NAME
September 20th, 2005, 05:27 AM
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msn_MrChristopher
September 20th, 2005, 05:51 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>UKprincenot2, take a few VERY deep breaths.<BR><BR>They can t find HIV by doing diagnostics for genital warts. They re completely different tests and diagnostics.<BR><BR>I don t know specifically what the policies off the United Kingdom are (James, you would probably know), but here in the U.S. your doctor can t perform an HIV test on you unless you consent. <BR><BR>Good for you for sticking up for yourself. What you did was what more people should do on a regular basis. And believe it or not credibility is on your side. I m assuming you re a heterosexual female and though I don t know your ethnicity, by virtue of being straight doctors and diagnostic folk in general are more likely to belive that what you had was a false positive in the first place. So having presented them with evidence of possible cross-reactivity from the scientific literature was a smart thing to do.<BR><BR>Hope this helps.<BR><BR>Chris<BR>Co-moderator</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_GlutathioneSurvival1
September 20th, 2005, 12:58 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>Dear UKPrincenot and Mr Christopher,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>having studied in some detail varying testing procedures in England, Wales and Scotland&nbsp; I have to say the following.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>1.Calm down do not panick and try to relax.</DIV> <DIV>2.To the best of my knowledge I have never heard of National insurance numbers being used in any types of "hiv" testing procedure and I very strongley suspect this is not the case.</DIV> <DIV>3. Initial testing using Elisa is performed blind, high risk group information does not effect the first result unless you are an African immigrant or have had sex with anybody from Africa then this will effect the type of Elisa test used, they will use an Elisa that tests for "hiv-1" and "hiv-2". If your initial Elisa test comes back positive it is then that high risk-group information which does accompany all blood samples (claimed to be used for epidermological data by UKPHLS) is used and can effect the way your results are viewed. EG . I asked one PHLS lab prof at a leading School of medicine and had a tape recording of the conversation borrowed by Peter Nichols who took part in Meditel s last banned dispatches/ITN news item. I asked what do you do when you get a positive result in a low risk non drug heterosexual. Answer " I dont belive the result so we dilute the blood specimen to wash out any cross reacting antibodies. And vice versa some blood specimens can be heat treated which increases "positivity", some blood specimens are treated with pokeweed mitogen which also makes the specimen more "positive" and in countries like Australia where Western Blots are still used some blood samples are exposed to prolonged incubation which again increasees the number of bands detectable.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>4. Veneral warts are one of the many things that can cause "false positives". Try treating the warts with forces of nature THUJA applied 3 times morning, evening and night time before bed.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>5.Nobody can "culture" or detect "hiv" from warts. Warts are very very common and effect millions and millions of people and can be activated by loads of things including pregnancy/radiation/stress.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>6. Officially in the UK nobody accept now in Scotland "criminals" are force tested without consent for "hiv".</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>7.However I am aware and distgusted/angry/alarmed that many African people are being denied medical treatments for serious medical conditions unless they "consent" to a "hiv" test. I have witnessed this first hand and know personaly 3 African people all of whom had urgentley needed medical treatment with held until the person&nbsp; "consented " to a "hiv" test. This is a clear gross violation of human rights, a violation of consent and a violation of patients right to "consent" and a violation of medical ethics. Its also blatant racism. Nobody not even the "positive" press or the African "aids" charities/ "leaders" are saying anything aboyt these outrages.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Its all kept secret and nobody knows its happening and because its "all in a good cause" anything is acceptable in the "aids" nazi world where human rights go out the window in favour of the unstoppable new god "hiv".</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>hugs</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>James</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>5.</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_UNKNOWN_AUTHOR_NAME
September 20th, 2005, 09:26 PM
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September 20th, 2005, 10:04 PM
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msn_GlutathioneSurvival1
September 20th, 2005, 11:37 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>&nbsp;some corrections . The question I asked the PHLS prof at a leading school of medicine was "what do you do when you get a WHITE non drug low risk heterosexual". I missed the word white out sorry.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The Thuja comes in many brands , I would not say its a cure, I do know people who have used it with great success, I know people who have used it with success on some types of warts and not so successfull on other types. I gather its really important to make sure you treat the effected areas 3 times a day, it may take a few day s to start working or a few weeks, sometime the warts appear to get bigger before starting to disapear, this I have read is due to the wart being pushed out of the skin.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Please let me know how you get on with it if you decide to use it and let me know how or if it was successfull (if you dont mind, I like to know off as many people as possible what does or does not work).</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thank you</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Hugs</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>James</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_carlee514
September 21st, 2005, 03:06 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>James,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I m sure I could look this up myself, but what is the protocol for testing pregnant women in the UK? My husband and I are moving there soon (he s British), and that s probably where I ll end up having kids. I ve never tested positive and he tested negative 2 months ago for an insurance thing, but after identifying as a dissident for 2 years and knowing what I know, I just hate the thought of having to go through an HIV test in order to get pregnant or have a child. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Carlee</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_UNKNOWN_AUTHOR_NAME
September 21st, 2005, 12:28 PM
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msn_UKprincenot2
September 21st, 2005, 12:34 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>carlee514,<BR>I don t know the laws, but I would like to know also. I would caution against getting tested if you are pregnant though, ever. since prgnancy can produce HIV antibodies, blah blah. I would hate for you to test "poz and be forced onto medication in order to save your unborn child s life, blah blah. I know everyone would try to guilt you into believing that you were doing some antisocial thing, and compare you to Charles Manson, and that would be difficult. :(</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
September 21st, 2005, 11:24 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>James,<BR><BR>Here is a report on Thuja for you. I used it for about six months after having quit regular burning (liquid nitrogen) treatment by my doctor. I had only a very few small warts left. After using Thuja the warts grew and spread so I discontinued use, and I decided to let them be. I later also tried the homeopathic Thuja pills to no benefit. Hence I admit I am yet to be convinced of Thuja s value. <BR><BR>Perhaps you could also comment on the relationship between HPV and warts. Before the post from UKprince I had never heard of a doctor suggesting that anal/genital warts were NOT connected to HPV. If HPV is not the cause, then what is?<BR><BR>For two decades I visited doctors who were convinced that HPV is the cause of warts and that warts would lead to cancer. The recent study you posted on anal cancer suggests that there is no direct relationship between warts and cancer, and there are apparently multiple forms of HPV, not all related to cancer. Has the HPV=warts=cancer hypothesis collapsed?</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_UKprincenot2
September 22nd, 2005, 12:13 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Robin,<BR>The doctor applied vinegar to them to see if they would turn white, and they did not. Hence it was suggested that they may not have been sexually tansmitted HPV or warts at all, which is why I was refered to a gastroentronologist.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_UKprincenot2
October 18th, 2005, 02:35 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Hi Robin,<BR>I tried the Thuja Oil too, and it doesn t seem to be working, and actually seems to be making them worse. It looks as if though they are spreading. :(<BR>You said you left yours alone, is that correct? Did they just go away on their own eventually? If so how long did that take?<BR><BR>Any information you have would be great, thank you. :)</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

msn_MrKenA1
October 19th, 2005, 01:17 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Hi UKprincenot2,<BR><BR>They have not gone away yet, but they have stopped spreading and growing since I stopped the thuja treatments. Since I am celibate, have no plans on becoming a porn model, and they cause no pain and irritation I have simply let them be for well over a year now. <BR><BR>My hope is one day they will vanish on their own but honestly that is not happening yet. It has been suggested to try olive oil -- which I did for a bit but have not been consistent about it. I do have one acquaintance who quit drinking alcohol with the result that his warts vanished. Unfortunately I quit five years ago with no such results -- rather it is around this time they started to grow.<BR><BR>As I don t have dissident health care, I have not bothered to see a doctor about them again as I am not eager to go back to the days of weekly doctor visits which will inevitably turn into sessions on why I should go on AIDS chemo or have my CD$ cells counted, when all I am really looking for is wart care.<BR><BR>Sorry but I am not model of success, just a model of putting up with warts.<BR><BR>Good luck finding something that works.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Robin </FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>