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murmur
July 26th, 2009, 12:21 AM
This thread will be destroyed.
But I am a 36 female who slept with a hiv positive man.
I have Sjogren's Syndrome like HHV6a infection and a cancerous growth on my hand. This has happened in 3 months and hiv is not the culprit. I am hiv negative. Why do most people deny the existence of HHV6a? Why do people with hiv deny the existence of CFIDS who are dying in similar ways?
Something is eating my brain at night and this illness feels like AIDS.There is a virus besides hiv that can hurt you. It is a mutated form of CMV and a pig virus and it was invented by Robert Gallo on Plum Island to kill Cubans,then Africans.And one day history will show the truth. I will be dead because valcyte won't keep me alive forever. But I am not afraid of the truth.
God Bless Christianne Maggiore
Celia Farber
Neenyah Ostrum
Nicholas Regush
Charles Ortleb
Everyone has the right to question AIDS.
There is a virus that causes it.

lightanddarkbalance
July 26th, 2009, 02:34 AM
Why don't you have a real doctor like a natropath, a Homeopath, a Doctor of Chinese medicine, an Ayurvedic physican ? Instead you are using a conventional MD trained in allopathic medicine which is quackery.

Hopefully you understand that there are many systems of medicine and the one you have choosen is by far the worst.

Get a real doctor who is trained in a real system of healing. What you into now makes no sense - try steping back and changing your mind.

An an example of the poison pushed as medicine by the allopaths
for treatments that never heal ( because the system is mad and the medicines are high profit - zero cure rackets ) is:

VALCYTE - side effects - *non healing of the illness plus - abdominal pain, anemia and other blood abnormalities ( WOW ! ) burning or prickling feeling, diarrhea, fever, headache, high blood pressure, insomnia, *mental change, retinal detachment, tremors, vision problems, vomiting. There are no reports of noses falling off - however by any standards this can not be a medicine that heals the body.

You can get well - the key is find a real doctor not a quack like you have now.

A VIRUS as the cause of disease ? so they say - But who are they and are they creditable ?

HansSelyeWasCorrect
July 26th, 2009, 03:01 AM
murmur: I don't understand what you mean by "destroy." Some do get a bit emotional, but that is to be expected, don't you think? In any case, I can understand your feelings, but I suggest that you keep reading and thinking. I can point in some directions, such as raypeat.com or my site at aimoo.com (The Scientific Debate Forum).

In particular, a "virus" is too simple an entity, assuming it is real (not lab artifact, as is likely the case for "HIV"), to damage you but not others, unless other conditions are met, such as:

1. there is a large enough quantity of the virus
2. it gets to certain parts of your body
3. certain biochemical conditions are present

There may also be other factors at work. If you read the textbooks, they point this out but then quickly move on to "clinical" material, and do not focus on prevention. Moreover, the "cures" are usually potentially dangerous "medications." Some of your claims appear to be aimed at provoking a harsh response. For example, whether or not there was some sort of "conspiracy," don't you think it makes sense to focus on what you can do now to help yourself? You presented all kinds of assumptions as if they were "facts," so I don't know what you want here, other than to "stir things up." You think you have all the answers, apparently. What do you want from any of us?

StarZ
July 29th, 2009, 02:40 PM
What do you mean Murmur that it feels like AIDS? AIDS is an amorphous shifting mass of illnesses subjective to location (lol). What AIDS illnesses do you have accordin to the definition for your location? Drink flax oil for your brain, have you had any vaccines in the past?

SheLaughsCarrot
July 29th, 2009, 03:23 PM
murmur,

since you dont agree HIV is the cause of AIDS, go out and tell people. Spread the words. The point is you are right. But to make sure that other people start to look at other viewpoints, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE ORTHODOX KNOW THAT HIV IS NOT THE CAUSE, else you are just wasting your time.

You dont have to die, come on. Drugs will never be the solution, it will make your body even worst. It's just like how the orthodox preach on chemotherapies for cancer...when you know chemotherapies is to kill you more faster than it kill the cancer. Even if the drug killed the cancer first, IT will be back, there's no point at all. Many people, especially the public are just too ignorant and too trusting modern medical science.


This thread will be destroyed.
But I am a 36 female who slept with a hiv positive man.
I have Sjogren's Syndrome like HHV6a infection and a cancerous growth on my hand. This has happened in 3 months and hiv is not the culprit. I am hiv negative. Why do most people deny the existence of HHV6a? Why do people with hiv deny the existence of CFIDS who are dying in similar ways?
Something is eating my brain at night and this illness feels like AIDS.There is a virus besides hiv that can hurt you. It is a mutated form of CMV and a pig virus and it was invented by Robert Gallo on Plum Island to kill Cubans,then Africans.And one day history will show the truth. I will be dead because valcyte won't keep me alive forever. But I am not afraid of the truth.
God Bless Christianne Maggiore
Celia Farber
Neenyah Ostrum
Nicholas Regush
Charles Ortleb
Everyone has the right to question AIDS.
There is a virus that causes it.

lightanddarkbalance
July 29th, 2009, 04:57 PM
The most important thing is to stop the Valcyte - immediatley. The chances are that you will very likely feel much better absent the poison.

Stay as far away as possible from convential doctors. Period. Unless a person is in a real acute crises or needs emergencey treatment conventional medicine is useless at best and always dangerous.

You will be alright - unless you being treated by a conventional medicine.

HansSelyeWasCorrect
July 29th, 2009, 08:00 PM
I don't agree that "conventional medicine" is always the problem. Mostly, the problem is that they focus on temporary solutions. So, for example, if you survive their cancer treatment for 5 years, they consider you "cured." Unless you are quite old already, I don't see how this is comforting, and it certainly makes no sense "objectively."

Another major problem is that they just go with protocols, instead of trying to figure out what the underlying mechanism is. This is why "cholesterol" or "saturated fat" has been blamed for "heart disease." In recent years, the "big idea" is that heart disease and just about every other "chronic disease" is due to inflammation. The problem here is that dietary saturated fatty acids can only block inflammation, and do not contribute to it. Similarly, cholesterol is only a problem if it is oxidized. Then it can contribute to inflammation.

I don't know about the medication this person is on, but it may be the kind of thing that one needs to be slowly weaned from, so it's important not to try and "play doctor" here. The clinical picture painted in the book "When AIDS Began" suggests that it is a "yo-yo" effect that can be very dangerous. That is, the patient keeps coming back to the doctor after taking strong medications (antibiotics, corticosteriods, etc.), then being told not to take them any more. But at some point the doctor worries about the symptoms that have come back, and so prescribes the medication again. In fact, it may have been this abrupt change in biochemistry (over and over again) that led to some or even most of those early "AIDS deaths" in SF. I don't know of any studies, even on animals. that have controlled for this possible factor.

lightanddarkbalance
July 29th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Hans - first you misrepresented what I said by stating "I don't agree that conventional medicine is the always the problem". I exempt conventional medical incompetence in the areas of emergency medicine and acute crisis.

You need to get real - a person is on a very toxic medicine for a diagnosis that is very dubious. They are in a state of deep despair and are assuming they will be dead in 3 months. Everything about what they believe is shaped by the information from their doctor and the effect of the medicine, or depending on you perspective on reality, the toxic chemical they are being damaged by.

The poison they are taking is:

VALCYTE - side effects - *non healing of the illness plus - abdominal pain, anemia and other blood abnormalities ( WOW ! ) burning or prickling feeling, diarrhea, fever, headache, high blood pressure, insomnia, *mental change, retinal detachment, tremors, vision problems, vomiting. There are no reports of noses falling off - however by any standards this can not be a medicine that heals the body.

Can you give just one reason as to why this toxic chemical should be given as a treatment.

In areas outside of emergency or acute crisis illness can you give just one example where Conventional medicine does not damage a patient.

Your answers will help illuminate your advise. " I don't know about the medication this person is on, but it may be the kind of thing that one needs to be slowly weaned from, so it's important not to try and " play doctor here "

NOT TRY TO PLAY DOCTOR HERE ! - who is playing doctor, the allopathic md, who has given a poison, called it a medicine, on top of a fishy diagnosis to a person who is in a desperate, hopeless and most likely RX induced terrible state or is it me who is playing doctor by exposing what is most likely happening.

The effects of VALCYTE clearly show it to be extremely toxic. It has is not in a catergory of addictive. Nevertheless you warn against stopping a non addictive poison suddenly but suggest wean off it - why wean from a non addictive substance.

Perhaps the victim should ask the person playing doctor who did this to them about what to do. After all the masquerade of quacks pretending be a doctors requires their own self delusion and the compliance of a non thinking public ( Dissident's not included )

HansSelyeWasCorrect
July 30th, 2009, 03:02 AM
Yes, the medical doctor is "playing doctor" in this case. Just about every medication comes with a long list of potential side effects. She is claiming that many people are denying the existence of a particular virus (not "HIV"). I have no idea what she's talking about there. Nobody is stopping her from doing what she thinks is best, and thinking as she wishes. However, she is making a very specific claim and hasn't cited any evidence. You gave her medical advice, which in a specific context may be illegal. My concern is as I stated, that is, that there may be a "yo-yo" effect with medication and what one might call biochemical instability. That is something she should discuss with her doctor before quitting the medication and consulting an "alternative" one.

lightanddarkbalance
July 30th, 2009, 03:57 AM
Hans, the medical doctor is not playing doctor just in this case. What we have is an epidemic of quackery. There is a big difference between a case here and there and systemic quackery where the rule is incompetence rather than the exception.

It is understood that this doctor imposter has gone through a long period of indoctrination, mistakingly called an education, to achieve such a degree of well adjusted incompetence. I note from your posts that you are also a product of the "higher education" system. I therefore understand the damage caused by specialization which ruins common sesne and can lead you to interpert the issue as this victim believing in a "virus for which she has not cited any evidence and nobody is stopping her from doing what she thinks best and thinking as see wishes" . The only evidence that realistically matters however is the common sense understanding that this person is terrorized, scared to death because of misinformation given by a quack, and is taking a poison. She is as free as a person in chains is to think want they want.

The one single significant thing that can be done right away to help is eliminate a poison that is effecting the person's condition and is very possibly the reason for feeling so badly. This is not an intellectual exercise existing in the sterile halls of academic institutions removed from the real world. This is the war zone of the real world where blood flows in the streets and bodies pile up as a consequence of medical business as usual conducted by very rational experts who just so happen to be inacting insane methods.

What should be illegal is not the giving of good advise exposing the terrible dangerous beliefs and practices of quack medicine. Specialized education which takes away common sense should be made illegal. But that would require a world where healing is the standard in medicine not corporate profits and sheepole playing doctor.

HansSelyeWasCorrect
July 30th, 2009, 05:16 AM
I wish I could still live in that world of "shoulds," but it's just not for me at this point. If I was in her position, I'd do research on my own to determine if the medication is possibly useful as well as how dangerous it could be. I'd be very concerned about taking strong meds for a long time and then just stopping without considering if doing so (rather than taking smaller and smaller doses, if I decided to stop the meds) might do more harm than anything else.

murmur
August 2nd, 2009, 02:29 AM
I was exposed to alot of this virus HHV6A. And got sick in a short amount of time before taking Valcyte. The factors made this illness bad were taking a progestin birth control pill,too fat beforehand, and exposed to a big fat man's semen who drinks like a pig. But this person isn't sick like me and he has hiv and this other virus. Its like the picture of Dorian Gray, too age 20 years in a short amount of time. I am mad because there is a real virus out there that hurts people and it is called HHV6A. And I'm not the only one. I am quitting Valcyte but I did all the natural things and no stopping it.
They say lemon juice olive oil drink for swollen lymph but it made my temp so cold. I need a good temp to fight disease. I eat no sugar no meat no gluten.
I will try artesunate and cleavers and vitex for bad hormones and walking. I would like to swim but there is only chlorine pools and my skin is severely dry and itchy.
If you go to autoimmune.com it talks about non hiv aids.
There is a virus at work not just drugs that kill a person it just isn't hiv,
I believe hiv is more like a offset marker or protein that may or may not follow hhv6a around.
If you don't have hhv6a you shouldn't be sick unless you take drugs.

HansSelyeWasCorrect
August 2nd, 2009, 04:15 AM
murmur:

It sounds like you believe in this sort of thing:

The Three Phases of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Dr. Paul Cheney's Theory (http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=3999&t=CFIDS_FM)

It's likely there are some "nuggets" one might find there, but my conclusion at this point is that it is very rare for someone to be exposed to a particle that others have not been exposed to, and to have this particle destroy your body slowly, over a long period of time, with there being nothing you can do to prevent major symptoms. That is where I "part ways" with "HIV/AIDS," "chronic fatigue syndrome," and other similar claims. It certainly can be the case that your body is damaged "to the point of no return," but for most people that seems to take years.

I disagree with certain nutritional ideas you have, but that is why I suggest Ray Peat's site and mine. We are concerned with oxidative stress/lipid peroxidation you can expose yourself to via the diet. This makes you body much less biochemically resistant to all kinds of stressors, and when stress occurs, it makes many pathogens "clingy," which sets off an inflammatory response and can cause all kinds of serious health issues. The idea that your body is like a piece of wood being eaten by termites, however, seems to be total science fiction, whether it's the "HIV/AIDS" crowd or anyone else making that claim. The evidence is just not there, and in fact there is very strong evidence to the contrary (I cite many such examples on my site).

murmur
August 5th, 2009, 04:16 AM
I have no period.
What kind of progesterone does Ray Peat suggest?
They are all synthetic. What does he recommend by name?
Progestin depleted me of natural progesterone and I gained 60 pounds in
one year on a few months on haldol for severe depression and suicidal
tendencies. They say hcg shots get rid of kaposi's sarcoma.

HansSelyeWasCorrect
August 5th, 2009, 06:14 AM
He is the specialist in that, not me. He may be able to help or he may be able to refer you to a student who is now a doctor or other "health professional."

lightanddarkbalance
August 5th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Murmur,

Your posts have made clearer and clearer what your health condition is.

Inflammation, intense weight gain of 60 pounds in one year, serious depression. Taking a synthetic hormone like Progestin - taking Haldol - taking Valcyte - god knows what damaging drugs preceeded them. All these drugs are extremely toxic and the organ which must detoxify them is the Liver - You have classic signs of a badly congested liver and this can explain what your going through.

Nearly all female hormonal problems are caused by the inability of the liver to make the chemical conversions necessary to produce and regulate hormones. When a person rapidly gains 60 pounds in 12 months it almost always means the liver is blocked. The liver is the organ that detoxifies chemicals. RX drugs that are not detoxified have a greatly more enhanced toxic effect on the body than their normal toxicity, which is bad enough. The Progestin followed by a 60 pound weight gain and deep depression is no accident. One of the major elements in depression is a blocked liver. When
the liver is not able to detoxify RX drugs their side effects, including making a person depressed or crazy can increase many fold.

I don't know what your health history was before the current recent history facts that have been stated. There is no need for any prior health history because from a liver damage perspective this is completely convincing.

To understand more about liver congestion 2 websites are recommended - Welcome to Ener-Chi Wellness Center: Your Trusted Source of Natural Healing Methods (http://www.ener-chi.com) listen to the radio talk and read the articles that speak to your condition
the next site is SensibleHealth.Com: Conquering chronic diseases without drugs or surgery - gallbladder flush, gallstone removal liver cleanse, endometriosis, estrogen dominance, infertility, allergies (http://www.sensiblehealth.com) - read the articles by Julia Chang that relate to your, especially then one on women's hormonal imbalances.

In my first post to you I stressed the need to find an alternative doctor and not be treated by a conventional MD. Now I must renew that appeal with urgency. All of your symptoms have a significant element of medically created disease. It is crimmal what is being done to people by medical incompetence. Giving Progestin, poisoning the liver, not realizing weight gain as a effect of drug damage then adding more very dangerous drugs like Haldol and Valcyte -then inventing nonsensical diagnosis like HHV6A or giving inflammation a special name such as Sjogren's Syndrome - which in turn will follow the next destruction to health by the next round of toxic RX drugs. This madness must stop and it must stop now. Only you can stop it. Stoping it means having nothing to do with a conventional doctor whatsover for any chronic health condition. Unless you get of this mad cycle you can never recover. Have you had enough?

You have the means and the path to recover. Once you are free of medical incompetents and treatment created illnesses you can make choices for real health solutions. The whole crux of liver restoration enables a person to do it for themselves at home. The programs to follow are clearly explained on the sites I mentioned as well as in books and on the internet in different discussion forums. Liver cleansing needs to be repeatedly over time and with care to attentively follow the details of the programs. If I can assist you with questions on the subject feel free to contact me privately.

The other good choice to wellness is finding a real doctor. That means an alternative medical practioneer. I would think that the ideal type would be a female naturpath. The problem with alterative medicine is that there is a need to have someone with a reasonable degree of skill to treat a chronic case. And while your liver centered health illness appears obvious and clear it might be misjudged by a doctor. One has to be luckly to find a capable doctor even in alternative medicine. But the chances with conventional medicine are absolutley zero - Hopefully you can finally make sense of what has happened to you and realize what path to take to get well.

murmur
August 5th, 2009, 11:35 PM
I really do have a virus in me that is causing me terrible pain in my uterus. I made the building blocks of a disease but there really is HHV6a causing inflammation and swelling. I am thinking about committing suicide because of what I did to myself. I feel severely depressed. Please God I didn't mean to sleep with this cruel man. I didn't want to die.Please help these people in pain.I do not know of a naturopath.I am sorry,my heart is broken. Drugs kill people but this virus HHV6a is burning.

HansSelyeWasCorrect
August 6th, 2009, 02:38 AM
murmur:

We can appreciate your emotional turmoil, which I will assume is genuine. However, we are not professional medical doctors or psychologists. Many if not most of us are people who look at the existing scientific evidence and come to at least tentative conclusions. We can share them with you but that's about all we can do. I referred you to Ray Peat's site, and I'm sure you can take the next step on your own, if you decide to go in that direction. But to insist that you have a particular virus that is causing particular symptoms is simply not something we can verify. I don't even understand why you have come to focus on this virus, assuming it exists as you think it does.

moonchild493
August 6th, 2009, 05:56 PM
murmur,

If hormone deficiency is part of your problem, there are certainly bioidentical ones you can use. You should be able to find at least an integrative doctor who can test your hormones and give you a prescription for what you need. Most need to be made by compounding pharmacies, but some bioidenticals are available through regular pharmacies, such as Prometrium, which I am taking with no ill effects.

Do some research regarding the physicians in your area and find someone who'll listen to you. Hormones can have a serious effect on your emotions. I know nothing about this HHV6A and am not inclined to research it, but you seem to be putting too much emphasis on it. Try to relax and take some helpful steps to resolve your problems.

Linda

G Man
August 6th, 2009, 06:22 PM
murmur,

I feel bad for you. I know what it's like to be very sick, and it is not fun. But don't even THINK of suicide, it is not an option! Think of the people who love you, I'm sure they would be devistated to lose you, especially in that way. So when you think of suicide, think of them.

Since I know nothing about the virus you are talking about, I can't offer any advice. But I certainly hope someone here can help. Just know that there are people here who understand what it's like to be very ill, and we wish you well.

StarZ
August 12th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Had not read this for a while. Murmur. Its like you are unravelling mentally and losing perspective. Hold yourself together! A bad health decision was made a long time ago, no it wasnt the poz fat beer gut exboyf! You probably caught nothing from him but in in effort to treat the phantom things have got worse, have they not? Isnt that all the evidence you need that nothing was there in the first place. You are getting worse and tweeking the symptoms into a state of hysteria. God, please I was not in this condition ever, was I? Trust your body. Frustration at swollen lymph nodes and pains is coz you haven't isolated the original problem or imbalance and removed all the obfuscating symptoms caused by treatments and the state of your head. If there is an underlying infection cause, try adding coconut oil, flax oils and getting off meat, sugar and gluten as you have. The oils should help you flush out what ever is flooding your system and rising into your mental stability. This will take years to fix. Sorry, your body works slowly for a reason- it doesnt want to hurt itself. In the mean time it will dam up toxins in starnge places which is what you dont wanna hear.