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April 5th, 2003, 07:08 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Dear The Harlem Times,<BR><BR> There is an absolutely brilliant leader of a country named South Africa. His title and name is President Thabo Mbeki. He has literally saved his nation from the destructive effects of AIDS medications that would have essentially poisoned his people. He has turned away personal financial gain and resisted a pharmaceutical buyout of his country. And the only media recognition that he receives is scorn - the little that he does. <BR> In the meantime, there is a corporate puppet running our nation. Leading us to a $63Billion military budget and cutting on education that will mostly effect the youth of our urban cities. His media monopoly and propaganda war receives constant airplay!<BR> It is easy to understand that this is occurring because President Thabo Mbeki is Black and the other gentleman is White. And my question to you is "why does a gay, Jewish small business owner in the Fashion District have to start screaming RACISM for you to do anything about it?"<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Ronen DeSigne<BR></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 5th, 2003, 08:03 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please help. </FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know I am off on the budget figures.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RD</FONT></DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 7th, 2003, 03:56 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Ronen:<BR><BR>If you re referring to figures for the military budget, the numbers I ve heard are MUCH higher. The annual budget for the military is around $300 Billion, and the figure I ve heard for this "war" alone is around $75 Billion. Unfortunately, I don t have any sources for these figures.<BR><BR>Rod Knoll,<BR>Moderator,<BR><a target=_top href="http://www.aidsmythexposed.com">AIDS MYTH EXPOSED</a></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 18th, 2003, 04:46 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Does anybody think that this is a good letter to send?<BR>RoneN DeSignE</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 18th, 2003, 09:46 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Ronen:<BR><BR>I thought you already DID submit this letter to the Harlem Times? Anyway, YES, I think you SHOULD submit it if you haven t already done so, with a couple minor changes, if it s not too late. I think you should bump up the figure you cite for "military budget" to $300 billion, unless you are only specifically referring to the cost of the Iraq War. In that case, you should specify that the figure you ve cited is just for the cost of the War.<BR><BR>Also, I m assuming this is a letter to the editor? If so, the greeting could be changed to "To the editor:". <BR><BR>Other than that, it s fine. Let us know what response, if any, you receive to the letter if you submit it.<BR><BR>Rod Knoll,<BR>Moderator,<BR><a target=_top href="http://www.aidsmythexposed.com">aidsmythexposed.com</a>></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 24th, 2003, 08:55 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>I would recommend a more thoughtful, more specific, and more accurate letter to the editor.&nbsp; The point of commending&nbsp; Mbeki s courageous, or at least refreshingly different, approach to the AIDS issue could be easily thrown out with all the other sloppy, misleading rhetoric in the original text.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>1. To call Mbeki a "brilliant leader" is a laughable statement.&nbsp; He is another in the long line of failed socialist "leaders" (oppressive, elitist, rulers) over the last 150 years in European carved up Africa.&nbsp; See <A target=_top href="http://www.cato.org/dailys/09-17-02.html">http://www.cato.org/dailys/09-17-02.html</A>&nbsp;(Hypocrisy Ran Deep at the World Summit) for an example.&nbsp; Mbeki is a former Communist Party member as further evidence.&nbsp; And like Bush he is a politician, and thus guilty of the same pursuit of power at the expense of the freedom and therefore prosperity of the citizens in his country.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>2. The U.S. defense budget is&nbsp;officially&nbsp;$355&nbsp;billion dollars for 2003.&nbsp; However it is really closer to $400 billion.&nbsp;&nbsp;Items like&nbsp;secret "black box" programs, "Energy Dept." nuclear weapons programs,&nbsp;and things like the CIA that you and I would count towards this spending figure are NOT included by the government in that&nbsp;"defense budget"&nbsp;dollar figure.&nbsp; Note: U.S. defense spending since 1958 has been $7 trillion dollars!!&nbsp; Note:&nbsp; $400 billion dollars is a larger defense budget then the next 20 or so countries combined!&nbsp; This has been essentially true since the Soviet Union collapsed.&nbsp; We have troops in over 100 countries around the world and have for many years now.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>3. While I have almost nothing good to say about George Bush and could go on and on why he is another in a long line of terrible presidents (every one the last 100 years), the comments critizing him in the original text are sloppy&nbsp;or inaccurate.&nbsp; If only he would cut federal spending on Education, we could all be thankful.&nbsp; Education in America would improve dramatically if the federal government removed itself totally from the equation.&nbsp; Unfortunately Bush has proposed increased federal spending in education to congress all the while he has been in office.&nbsp; He even partnered with Mr. huge, bloated government Ted Kennedy on this.&nbsp; Note virtually all head of state politicians&nbsp;have been&nbsp;a sort of "corporate puppet" for quite some time now.&nbsp; The first famous "corporate puppet" U.S. president was of course Abe Lincoln (railroads and other northeast industries in particular).&nbsp; Perhaps the last non such U.S. president was Grover Cleveland, the last to uphold and respect the U.S. Constitution and thus a free America.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>4. All governments engage in propaganda constantly.&nbsp; This is the only way the state can get away with all the anti-freedom policies of taxation and regulation they impose on it s people.&nbsp; The welfare/warfare state would soon die otherwise.&nbsp; The stupid "War on Drugs" and it s supporting propaganda is a classic example.&nbsp; To single out Bush on this score is misleading.&nbsp; But yes, &nbsp;you are right to recognize his&nbsp;participation in the propaganda game.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Yours in liberty, Tom Freese&nbsp; (originally from Michigan, now residing in Atlanta, Georgia)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 24th, 2003, 09:15 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2><DIV>... note the $355 billion dollar figure is the "official"&nbsp;2003 defense budget signed into law October 2002.&nbsp; It does not include additional spending recently passed for the Irag war for example. .... remember no government really wants it to be too clear how much of your money it is spending .... and spending is almost never cut ..... anywhere ..... despite occasional rhetoric implying that ....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>... and to be more specific to this site (thank you by the way) .... just like with education, health care in general and "AIDS" care and research would be far better off WITHOUT federal spending and the corresponding strings attached .... remember you get more of whatever you subsidize, especially when it s done by government&nbsp;.... if you subsidize poverty, you get more poverty, .... if you subsidize the HIV=AIDS=Death paradigm, you will get more of the same ... the incentives of government, since it has the power of force, are backwards ... the opposite of a free market based on voluntary exchange .....&nbsp; A great example&nbsp;is 9/11 ... this was greatest failure of the federal government ever to perform their most basic and primary function of protecting our lives and property (only Pearl Harbor comes close, but that was dominated by military loses, not civilian) .... yet who got fired after 9/11?? ... The FBI director? the CIA director? the Defense Secretary? the NSA director? ... did the President resign? ..... No, none of the above of course ..... on the contrary .... the government grew BIGGER .. it got MORE money and MORE anti-freedom regulations passed (ie. MORE power) ... it was REWARDED FOR FAILING!!!! .... just think if you had a private security firm that failed you in such a big way, you would fire them in a heartbeat! ... and i would expect other customers would as well, leaving them to go out of business.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>.... getting government involved turns health issues into political issues ..... and instead of health solutions you will get political solutions ....</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>yours in liberty, Tom F.</DIV></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

April 24th, 2003, 09:45 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>My, my, my, I think we have ourselves a real live LIBERTARIAN, here. Welcome to the board, "quarterback"! Actually, you ve been a member for a while, but these are your first messages. Thanks for your insights. If memory serves me, I believe you also have been a supporter of our cause for a while. THANKS for that, too.<BR><BR>As for your ideas, I ll just say that, I m not sure, because of, as you write, "the corresponding strings attached", that we have an entity that could be called "pure" government these days. It seems to me that the corporate sector has corrupted much of what we call government. IMHO, "government" is now just another wing of the corporate, globalist agenda. That IS, of course, just MY perception.<BR><BR>Anyway, welcome again to the discussion, "quarterback". Boys and girls of this forum, please be kind to "quarterback". He s not only a supporter of our issues, but, if I m not mistaken, he s also rather attractive ;-)<BR><BR>Rod Knoll,<BR>Moderator,<BR><a target=_top href="http://www.aidsmythexposed.com">aidsmythexposed.com</a>?</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

May 30th, 2003, 04:39 AM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>You might want to reconsider referring to Mbeki as "absolutely brilliant"<BR>Just a thought.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

May 31st, 2003, 09:16 PM
<TABLE ><TR><TD><FONT size=2>Let me also extend a welcome to you, "canttouchthis". I am glad that Kelly ("dissidentsaint") responded to your other message about using "anger and insults". It s a message that I have tried to get you to clarify through private e-mails I sent to the e-mail address you have provided in your profile.<BR><BR>Just as a background note, the domain name that forms the suffix of "canttouch s" e-mail address (from his or her profile) does NOT seem to be a functioning domain name. At least my browser can t seem to locate it. However, I have yet to receive any failure notices from the two e-mails which I sent to "canttouch s" e-mail address a few days ago.<BR><BR>Hopefully, "canttouchthis" will see fit to respond to our comments about his or her messages. I think it s a little strange that "canttouchthis" digs up older threads such as this one to which no one has replied in weeks and then proceeds to make comments which could be considered inflammatory but does NOT elaborate on them.<BR><BR>I, too, am not certain exactly where "canttouchthis" stands on our issues.<BR><BR>Rod Knoll,<BR>Moderator,<BR>AIDS Myth Exposed<BR>www.aidsmythexposed.com</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>